WWII- Japanese War Models.

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  1. davety New Member

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    there's been a little chatter around here lately with some of the repro-fiends about trying to nominate the best WWII models out of japan. hopefully this thread can satisfy the craving for painted arcs, laurel buttons and rivetless coin-pockets.

    there's a stack of them out there, surprisingly so once you start looking for them- i'll kick off here with my own WWII- the samurai S2000RR, which is essentially the same cut as the S3000VX except, in 15oz texas cotton... no painted arcs tho, unfortunately.
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    i'll get around to posting more pics eventually.

    maybe we can start compiling a list of the various models from the different labels? i know that samurai, Studio d'Artisan and the Flat Head all have their own models, but i'm sure there'd have to be more out there- watch this space.
     
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    Fullcount, Warehouse and on and on. Some are Ltd. Editions and some are regulars. The WH 700S WWII is there regular WWII cut, based on their 700 buckleback model.

    Every major brand has one. Although I'm not entirely sure about Evisu.
     
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    why would you like to wear some clothes that remind you war?
     
  4. Max Power New Member

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    Interesting point of view ;-) But hey, we're not talking about army pants, and I think the story of the WW models is quite interesting. That's the story I tell most people when they ask me what fascinates me about vintage models and stuff. The jeans are a picture of the time they were made, that's what i like best. And I'm sure, many denim fans like the fading abilities of the painted arcs.
     
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    Why not?
     
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    Fair point. Its just the name "WWII" thats creep me out, is difficult to understand that something so horrendous take part of a name inside a fashion trend.
    Probably for a young people the meaning is almost inexistent.
     
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    Agreed, if the would be called '44 Model it would be not that weird. At least, there's no Vietnam, Korea or WW I Model ;-)
     
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    With your reply, you dont deserve any effort from me to answer you. Go to the school kid, thats my advice.
     
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    Now you are talking, for sure at the same time when the WWII or any other war were on, many nice things were also happenign in the world. Just a idealist.
     
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    The point is, that the Term WWII-model brings a lot of terrible associations, but I doubt that somebody feels attracted by that. By contrast to wearing army pants, for example, as the connection to the war consists only of 7 missing rivets and painted arcs. And, as I said in the SDA thread, these jeans were made in the USA and modified because of their governments decision.

    So, putting a political opinion to that topic, seems a bit too far off, IMO.
     
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    Whoa, calm down mate, there's no need to get personal.

    War is war, it happened, it's still happening - I don't know what connotations or ideas you associate with WWII, but you can't expect everybody else to have the same point of view as you do. That's the type of mentality that starts conflict in the first place - I don't suppose they taught you civility and tolerance when you went to school?

    The attachment of 'WWII' or refering to these jeans as 'war model' is something that the Japanese repro companies have done - you can't expect them as non-native English speakers to fully comprehend the associations that it may evoke to people in other nations & cultures.

    Again, refer to them as the WWII model if you like, or the '44 model., doesn't really matter - there's no need to bring political bias or personal feelings into this thread - I was just wondering why you're so ticked off about it. This is a thread about jeans!

    I personally have no problem with war uniform reproductions such as Buzz Rickson's garments - if you do, that's fine, but there no need to shove it into other people's faces.
     
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    Well said ^ Personally, the whole "WWII jeans" thing did not make me think of actual war at all.... until someone mentioned it.
     
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    Seconded!
     
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    It is funky to see that for few people the word war is no more associate it with what it means, due to a relation with fashion terms or for a chronological reference .
    I guess words just loose their meanings in some moment...
    I apologize myself for bring the point to this thread.
    Go ahead with your pants talk.
     
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    I see your point, but then what about samurai jeans and their symbolizm? What about Levi's, who stated in the 1890 that their jeans were made "by white labor only", though founded by a jewish-german emigrant? This is a jeans forum and that's why we discuss jeans. Bringing political aspects to it is possible, but a bit pointless. But that's just my opinion.
     
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    agree...
     
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    oh come on! it is just a NAME!

    a reference to the Levi's pair from during the time period of WWII, which happens to be a very good and up-to-date fit, with many details that differ from other Levi's pants which make this fit so well-appreciated

    If you think naming this type of jeans WWII is wrong, then everyone that wears a nice Hugo Boss suit nowadays is a supporter of the Nazi beliefs, as he was known for designing many of the Nazi officer uniforms (which are ver nicely constructed garments btw)
     
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    I didnt knew that trivia about Boss, funny! Yes, Nazi uniforms were top nocht indeed.

    BTW Benzak, i saw your web yesterday , you made a great job dude. I live in Den Haag and i might be interested to buy a pair of BDD, that denim aged beautifully. Ill send you a PM when ready.
     
  19. davety New Member

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    jesus christ- a WWII model is a WWII model, soapbox or not! yeah, war sucks blah blah blah, but for christ's sake- owning a repro doesn't mean you've got a shed full of zyklon-b in your backyard :roll: i hope nobody thought too deeply about the social injustices they were endorsing AT ANY GIVEN TIME whenever they bought a repro :roll:


    laying it down here- if you want a social justice crusade, find another forum. this thread is about japanese WWII model JEANS- it is a highly defined topic, with pretty strict parameters, so if you have issues with the fact that some repro-nerds might be glorifying war simply by mentioning the word, then don't let the door smack your arse on the way out.

    back on topic please, gentlemen....
     
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    hey Freud wannabe, i already apologised, can't you read it?
    Like i said before, you can keep your beauty-cutie pants talk..
     
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