Is there any rule of thumb to be used as to what jeans will be stiffer when new? I tried on various selvage pairs from Nudie, all stiff. I got the ALD Royal selvage, stiff. Tried on Samurais, Onis, Pure Blue Japans, none of them stiff. I really like the starched-like feeling of the new selvage denim, but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to what is stiff, and what isn't. Is there something that I'm missing? Slight side-bar: is it only selvage that will have that stiffness, or would most raw denims have it?