Yeah, Sams aren't the slimmest jeans. That being said, the slubby nature of their denim doesn't lend itself to being comfortable and tight. The SV5000 cut and S0500 have really forgiving top blocks, so you can size down on them for a 'slimmer' look (unlike the S510 - Do Not size down on this cut if you can help it. It's a repro cut designed to be worn loose). Not to familiar with the 610. Was curious about them when they first came out, but was scared away by that tiny rise. I'm the kind of guy that thinks the rise on the SV5000 is too short. Thanks for the praise, IIIrd Icon. There were great times in the past. That being said, there are more jeans now and far more variety than ever before. More new brands, new niche brands (Tender et al), new revamped brands (Joe McCoy, Yay!), and some brands that are just evolving (Ande Whall). Do not mourn for the past. Premium denim is getting better and better, I reckon.