Discussion in 'Japanese Denim Brands' started by Eric, Feb 1, 2007.
pics freddy, pics!
or are you still at work?
i'm buying some s5000vx soon (tax return in 2 weeks), although y'all probably don't want me as yr seventh samurai, given my appalling photo-taking track record ;-)
you would be already the 9th :lol:
the S5000VX is cool. I hope I'll get mine in the next weeks
ha, that's a relief- no pressure on me to come up with photos on a regular basis :lol:
yeah, i read you're going in for them, been meaning to ask you how you're gonna size them? i'm aiming at the newer black stitch back pockets, since i doubt i'll be able to track down the old stitches. decided i wasn't keen on the RRs or any other texas cotton anytime soon- would actually love to go jins, but i wanna leave LHT alone for a while, given that my 101z has been in high rotation lately (with so little progress after 18 months :cry
I had the S5000VX in size 32 which was wearable but tight. I'll go for size 34 now which is kinda my true waist size (although the last weeks it went more towards 35")
Downsizing 1 is fine with these. VX stretches a lot. But for now I want a more comfy fit and the size 34 I might get are from Lot.10 so with old arcs&tab, so no need to be picky :-D
yeah, i would've bought already if it weren't for the sizing issues, but it's been almost six months since my last denim, so i can't really hold off too much longer :lol: to be honest, i'd be fine either way on the s5000vx, i could handle either a shrink to tag or from tag, really, i'm not too keen for a slim fit this time through, but i could easily live with it. i'll probably grab a 30, which is roughly tts for me, as far as denim goes- the other alternative for me was to go 31 on a FH3009/5, since in real life my size on suit pants is 31 and i'm kinda sick of sizing down. i love the feel of the LVC 1937 in 32, but it's not a flattering look, so i'm trying to make compromises here ;-)
it might sound like i'm worrying about sizing too much here, but the main reason i'm hesitant is that i have plenty of denim and not so much spare cash (at least to pour on a not-particularly-necessary new purchase), but i'm craving the feel of fresh denim right now.
from where do you plan to buy your S5000VXs?
Maybe he can provide you actual measurements so it's no shot in the dark for you
i actually want to give bas a shot, since there's not much info out on them. i'll be asking for sizing details- not too many other places have the 30 in stock (at least raw) at the moment, so i don't want anyone to make a special order just for my sake.
ah bas-clothing. ask denimjunkie about them ;-)
he was kinda upset as he received a S0500XX lot.10 whereas they showed pictures of another lot#.
I ask them twice about some stuff. they take a little longer to answer but they'll do. downside for me is that they don't accept paypal
i'm not super-worried about it really, after going for a 30 in the LVC 1947- that was sizing down hard, and it still worked fine ;-) and like i said, i'd be happy with the whole range from slim-fit to comfort-fit, so i'll be able to live quite happily no matter how it turns out.
edit- yeah, but everyone shows different lots on rakuten, plus i'd rather not go paypal anyway... plus they detail the arcs in the order, so that's kinda important to me.
yes of course they show different arcs. why should they hassle with taking new pics for every lot? I can understand that issue
and that's really a good service of Big American Shop, they know that the arcs are prefered and they provide you with the information necessary
some places list the arcs, but most don't. anyway, i'll be sitting tight for a little while yet- these aren't an impulse purchase, so i have to wait a few weeks yet.
nice that you've found your way here mate...cheers and much fun!
Update on Samurais.
Yuichi did exchange the size 34s because I had already shipped them back to him. That was very nice of him, given his policy. He explained the situation with regard international customers as follows:
Please understand these.
Originally , I sold Japanese jeans to Japanese customers only in Japan.
When I sell these jeans in my shop , I wash almost all jeans in advance ,
because sometimes jeans used to shrink differently from the size shown ,
or different brand's jeans shrunk differently.
Samurai , flat head , skull jeans , fullcount used to shrink differently.
My Japanese customer usually buy the one-washed jeans after trying it in my shop ,
or decide which size they want , after watching one-washed measurement chart on my homepage.
So I had no trouble with my Japanese customer.
But nowadays Japanese jeans are getting popular in overseas.
Many customer e-mail me everyday.
Almost customers asked me the raw measurements , but few customer asked me one-washed measurements.
I always recommended them one-washed jeans , but almost all customers overseas didn't hear of my opinion.
I've been thinking customer overseas want raw jeans.
If the customers want one-washed jeans , they asked me the measurements after washing.
So I've been thinking that in the case a customer ordered just the size he wants , I should ship his favorite size.
I've been thinking the customer like that understood how his favorite jeans shrunk.
You didn't ask me raw measurements , or how shrink it would ,
so I thought you had already understood the details.
I can see his point of view in this, even though it assumes that overseas customers are fully up on the changing measurements of the various lot numbers. I am not sure how you ask him to measure jeans that he doesn't have in stock but has to order in, which will be the case for anything over size 32. (He doesn't order them in until they are paid for.)
It looks as though Samurais are all now pretty much tagged to their pre-shrink size.
The new jeans are in size 35 but are in fact no different in terms of waist measurements than the ones I returned. I am putting the whole thing down to experience. Caveat emptor.
On a more positive note, the S710bk which I bought from Mickecch here have stretched out just enough so that they are buttonable and I think with a few dozen wears they will be great. Love the style and the heavy denim is great for winter.
^nice info there...!
good pics of the s710bk's btw?...
Seems to have been a lot of drama on this thread lately.
I've bought 5 sams from Japan over the years and I've only had one sizing snafu which was the Lot 10 S510XX 21oz. I always got them hemmed in Japan because up to this point there were no chainstitch options in Australia. So basically unreturnable. The fact that you can't return the jeans from sellers in Japan was just a given. I was buying jeans at a time where Japanese sellers were very reluctant to sell overseas for all the reasons in the previous pages. But with the US at about 56 cents to the Australian dollar at the time, US resellers like BiG wasn't an option. Even if you could find one who would ship overseas (and only if you didn't paypal, but deposited directly into their Japanese bank account) you had to tell them over and over again via email that you understood their no-return policy. There ain't no chargebacks for direct deposit. The newbies that come on nowadays have absolutely no idea how good they have it now, especially those who get Japanese stuff shipped direct to Aus. To be honest, I used to be worried that it'd only take one difficult foreign customer for a Japanese shop to shut its doors to overseas customers for good (and that has actually happened, which for me was so many levels of annoying, esp. since I've bought from them in the past several times, to get a blanket rejection of all international sales was terrible. Thank goodness for proxies). But if I have to agree with one thing about Nasren's experience is Caveat Emptor. That being said, my personal experience with buying goods for Japan have been about 95% positive.
With experience, you learn about the nature of unsanforized denim. For one thing, the raw waist measurement is where the jeans to ultimately end up. Depending on how tight the denim is woven, jeans will invariable stretch in the waist to its original raw size over 20-100 wears. They will not stretch back out anywhere else (like the thighs, rise, yoke or inseam). So you buy your jeans with that in mind, assuming 0.5in shrinkage in the thigh and 2-3in shrinkage in the inseam (as yuichi mentioned, different between the makers), the waist of the jean will almost always stretch back out to it's initial raw measurement. 20+ pairs of Japanese denim in all different types of brands, denim, cuts and sizes have borne out my theory. I've never had a sizing problem with jeans that I've chosen (except the aforementioned Lot 10). Ironically, the only two jeans I did have sizing problems with were jeans I bought from BiG after following their sizing advice (USA Sams and WH 660). :-c Now I follow my own intuition and I'm almost never wrong.
If you don't want to wait 20+ uncomfortable wears to stretch the jeans out, you can buy a waist stretcher (worth it's weight in gold to me at one point - bakertowne is one option, but there are a lot of knock-offs that are cheaper), or you can get a piece of 2x4 cut to fit your exact waist (You can pick one up at Bunnings or Mitre 10 for $2) and then jam them into the waist with the top button closed as you hot soak the jean (some people have used baking pans, but that's more for size 28-30. If you're a TTS 34 like me, custom made timber is your best bet.
Anyway, enough about that. Took some time off from denim, gained some weight, gave my RMW moleskins some love, lost the weight, back to a 34in waist, so now...
Starting to put some denim back into rotation. It also helps that it's winter here in Aus. Sam S710 (my first ever sams!) and Flathead 5100 Anniversary ed. I'm pairing them with my Ironheart belt (my go-to belt) and my fox creek roller buckle.
wohooow. Good to see you back here around.
Yeah it's pretty damn simple nowadays to buy stuff from Japan
Experts, which is the slimmest sammie model?
I reckon they dont make any skin tight ones..
s003jp__ s0610LX got lower rise so silhouette looks slimmer.
edit: @indigo_junkie, great to read again from a participant of the last truly great denim jeans "Renaissance Period".
^And of the common models? 710, 0500, 5000VX, 510 and other usual suspects?
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