Hi i just went back to the jeans store I try tight long john and then i try on the high kai both black color both 30waist line So when i was trying the long john it flt like looks col But not as skinny as i could imagine like emos would wear as an example style, Im a 30waist line.. notice the long john jeans was kinder loose around the waist line it fited confortable but felt like i was much skinnier then what i thought. It felt like i need a 28 sizes instead which was strange. Then i try HIGH KAI jeans felt nice and looks 98% the same looking skinny jeans as the first one (long john) I notice that around my waist line felt slightly tigher.. Again it was sizes 30 since im sizes 30. But felt alittle too tight on the waist ones i put the zip up. So again it looks confortable but not as skinny as these emos dudes out there wearings kinny jeans I mean both jeans looks nice and skinny but the reason why i say it did not look like skinny perfect jeans is because the mid section of the jeans looked shrinked as if the jeans are long... then notice the low ends of the jeans were my foot is felt like the jeans was alittle too long. Ive try wranglers black skinny jeans in black looks perfect emo looking jeans. Oh tho very hard to take them off ones i wear them of course.. But yeah im very very picky with the design of skinny jeans course ive try around from cheap to moderate price tag and most dont allways look perfect skinny jeans. Oh though have to remember that WRANGLERS SKINNY BLACK JEANS: 98% cotton and 2% elastine NUDIE LONG JOHN / NUDIE HIGH KAI: 98% cotton and 2% lyc So maybe just maybe the (lyc) is the problem about the jeans oh tho not allways because i did felt quite confortable wearing NUDIES while i try them on. But still not as happy as i thought about looking them as true skinny jeans. It did look skiny jeans just that the full lenth of my leg did not fully looked like it.. it was like half skinny and half wasnt. So imagine that Im 175cmtall and my waist line is 30' Notice that NUDIE skinny jeans (tight long john) in black was sizes 30" as predicted and it was 32in lenth. So if only maybe just maybe it was lenth 31 instead ? dunno One thing is i would never wear skinny jeans and then try to folk them over on the low ends..... like the models on the nudie shows.. just looks slightly rediculours..... I mean that wont look good at all specialy i been a typical emo dude who loves to wear black skinny jeans. I mean over all Nudies are so expensive 240.00 AUD in australia believe it or not. Umm I still think wranglers skinny jeans are 100% kick-ass jeans.. I mean they dont cost expensive for us its like 129.00 dollars But still focusing on the Nudie jeans. I just dont want a NUDIE skinny black jeans that looks like half skinny and half isnt because it looks like its too long or not. My wranglers jeans the skinny black jeans are sizes 30 around my waist line and it is 33top to bottom lenth. And fits perfect. But strugling to take them off.. While Nudie is easier to take them off easier. But remember the differents. Anyways i just wanted to share my thoughts about this as of this date and would like some viewers to reply back to this. take care PEACE Its only a decition what to do about buying.