cheers guys. just a small update on the topic. Yesterday i coped a pair of those "best of Levis" Selvedge 501's and they do fit larger than expected. so much that i had to downsize. i plan to shrink them dressed on to avoid ultra shrinkage in the waist especially. meanwhile, i will will display my previous pair of stf's slightly over one year: http://mynudies.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=11153&c=24 lighting in the photo is way off and not showing anywhere how cool these jeans are looking right now! fade wise, since the fit is crappy because i followed instructions to size up!