Levis expertise needed

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  1. f4igurl New Member

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    Hey guys! I am trying to figure out the origins of some levis I dug up....

    Bit of history. My dad bought them, traveling in Morocco of all places, in 1979. They were raw, and after many years of wear & tear, washing and shrinkage, they were "handed down" to me!

    Actually, I permanently "borrowed" them, if truth be told! :oops:

    They are 501s, size 32/34. I know that only because the size is hand written in indelible ink on the inside material of the jeans - the 2 horse patch fell off years into the wearing.

    They are selvage, looks like a tan selvage, although it might have been red or orange originally. Rivets on the front and coin pockets, but no hidden rivets on the rear, like my 1947 LVCs.

    I am trying to figure out what edition/year these are and don't know of any guide out there.

    As soon as I make space on the SD, I will post some pics, but I am not sure that will help.

    Your input welcomed! :D
     
  2. M!ch New Member

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    I would gladly be of help, but i have really no idea.
    On SuFu there's a lot of expertise on vintage Levi's, with some pics you are bound to get to know more i think.
     
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    Please, for the love of god post some pics on those beauties!!
     
  4. bilmaga Super Moderator

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    I know a bit about old levis. I could try and help.

    Are they the big E or little e?

    After that, I can have some more questions for you
     
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    yeah the selvedge was red, levis does not make jeans with tan selvedge

    a few questions for myself because old unknown levis are very interesting to me:

    - cinchback? if so its most like the 1937
    - is levi's stiched on BOTH sides of the red tab? if so its post 1950, if not its pre
    - zipper fly - post 1950s, button fly - pre
    - the hidden rivet thing started after the 40s or late 30s, so if there are no hidden rivets it means that the rivets are on the outside of the back pockets, which means its a pre 1930s levi, which is very rare
    - but if there are no rivets, and bar tacking its 1960s
    - obviously one back pocket 1880s, but im pretty sure youd say so if there was
    - belt loops? if not its pre 1920s which is unbelievably rare


    my guess is you have some deadstock 501s from the 1920 - 1940 period, but i could be completely wrong, pics please!

    p.s. 32/34 is my size and i will buy them off you no problem
     
  6. Vinyljunkie New Member

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    I guess these must be made between 1966 and 1983, if it got a Big E these should had been made between 1966 and 1971, if its a small e, it was made later. Levis introduced the small e in 1971 and stopped the production of selvage denim in 1983. I guess the back pockets have bar tags instead of rivets, so your jeans must be a 501xx or 505, only these two models of late levis jeans used to be made of selvage denim.
    I hope youre not that confused and I could help a little :)
     
  7. f4igurl New Member

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    Wow! You guys are good! :D

    Exileonmainstreet - where do you have all that detail from? Similarly for Vinyljunkie! Er, about the confusion - help is always appreciated! :lol:

    Am at friends but promise to post pics tonight.... But to answer questions:

    They are the small "e", rear pockets have no rivets - bartacks only. No cinchback, and the beltloops seem pretty normal in pattern - 5 in total I think.

    The selvage, as I mentioned, is light tan - but that could well have been red that faded over the years. Can't remember if the red tab is two sided or not.

    I am pretty sure it is the 501 - it has a button fly, not the zip.

    Given the sizing (32/34), it is waaaaay smaller than my recently purchased 1947 LVC 501's (also a 32/34).

    The rise on these seems to be lower, and the overall fit is snugger - but that could be just a function of having been washed (and dried I should add) all these years.

    I will get pics up tonight I promise! Thanks for all the help - and I will be interested to hear what you think of the looks!
     
  8. ExileOnMainStreet New Member

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    did a book report on Levis Strauss in high school, so i know an unneccesary amount of information on Levis



    f4igurl -> where are u from in canada?
     
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    Does anyone knows where to buy a pair of Dry unwashed Levis??? I have a littel problem finding them? Please let me know.

    Thanks alot :D !!
     
  10. bilmaga Super Moderator

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    Since they are a little e, you should check for black stitching in the top corners of the back pockets. Collectors call these "black flags"

    Also, look on the inside of the top back pocket and see if it is single stitch, or double stitch. The double stitch looks like two rows of chain stitching, where as a single stitch looks like what a basic sewing machine can do.

    Another way to identify single/double is the # stamped on the back of the button on the waist. If it has 3 numbers, it is a double stitch, if it has 1, it is a single stitch.

    If you find that they are single stitch, look at the cuffs. See if the inside stitching around the cuff is yellow, instead of the reg. copper coloured that is the same colour as the thread all over the jeans. The two-tone is more rare.

    If you are lucky, you will have a single stitch, two tone pair of "red lines" in your hands.

    Keep us posted, I'm quite excited :D
     
  11. f4igurl New Member

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    OK!!

    Pics posted on the "other brands" section, links below...

    ExileOnMainStreet - I am in TO...

    Julian - I googled "levis 501" and it spit out a slew of shops. One of them, ,http://www.501usa.com/501_men/0000.htm/, carries the rigid 501, for $35USD!! I never ordered from them, so I can't say if they are any good!

    OK, now for the pics:

    http://www.mynudies.com/modules/mx_smartor/album.php?smartor_mode=album_showpage&pic_id=2936/

    http://www.mynudies.com/modules/mx_smartor/album.php?smartor_mode=album_showpage&pic_id=2937/

    http://www.mynudies.com/modules/mx_smartor/album.php?smartor_mode=album_showpage&pic_id=2938/

    http://www.mynudies.com/modules/mx_smartor/album.php?smartor_mode=album_showpage&pic_id=2939/

    http://www.mynudies.com/modules/mx_smartor/album.php?smartor_mode=album_showpage&pic_id=2940/

    I was too lazy to post on a hosted site and link directly.... :cry:
     
  12. f4igurl New Member

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    Arrgh! Of course I missed your post while fiddling around with the pics!! Sorry Bilmaga!

    Back to the examination... To my untrained eye - it looks like a double chain stitch, however, the number stamped on the back of the top button is NOT 3; it is, I think a 6 - the number six with a small line under it. Like what you see on the soles of golf clubs to help differentiate btw 6 and 9.

    The black tags are there. They are visible both from the inside and outside, especially now that the outside of the jeans has faded to such a pale color.

    Alas, the original cuffs are no more.. They were hemmed years ago... :cry:

    I know, blasphemy, blasphemy. But that was in the dark ages, before I became enlightened by the gospel of Nudie! :lol:
     
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    As far as the #'s, it's just a guideline. I have a pair of double stitch, and the #'s are 324. But I have seen some double stitch with the single # (like yours) as well.
     
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    Thanks for the great info everyone!

    Does kind of make you wonder though... What treasures are sitting, unbeknown, in closets, or in small remote stores....
     
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    If you mean raw LVC i know they sell them at De Rode Winkel in Utrecht.
     
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    Thanks alot, M!tich!! :D I wil go to Utrecht and have a look. :)


    anyone know's a store in Amsterdam
     
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    i don't know for sure but in A'dam there is a Levis store,, perhaps they got some?!
     
  18. Julien New Member

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    Thanks Erchii,

    but Levi's stores at Amsterdam are commercial and don't know alot about Levi's or Vintage Levi's


    http://item.rakuten.co.jp/sanshin/55501-0017/


    Could some one tell me if this is a great pair of levi's, or not. I have seen them at one shop somewhere and I am thinking to buy a pair.

    If I'm right its: Vintage Levi's 501 1955.

    That means it has the same fit as the levi's 501 models in 1955, right?? and not made in 1955.

    I also heard that Vintage levi's is made in size W30 or W32 or W34 etc. but not in size L31???

    I am W31 wich one should I get?? W30 or W32??


    Please help me out with these few questions :D that would be a big help!!!

    Thanks alot
     
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    Hey Julien,

    these are exact repros from the 1950s, the will shrink two iinches in waist and up to three inches in length, so if you usually wear W31 L32 you should buy a W32-33 and L34-36, but if you wont wash em and let em clean
    dry or wash em cold, you could by your excact size I guess.
     
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    Hey Vinyljunkie,

    Thanks for the information. Could you please tell me you opinion about this jean?? I want this jean becaus it is real good denim, hard and stif. and I want a jean tha represent the old denim day's

    Thanks again
     

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