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Opeth
17th February 2007, 09:35
You been searching the net for a while now for a nice pair o japanese brand premium denim (dry offcourse). Somehow all the pictures of the worn in japanese jeans look very different from how a nudiejean fades. I think nudiejeans have the best fade from what I've seen. Perhaps I have just been searching the in the wrong places. I also noticed that many jap.jean wearers wash they jeans very frequently and don't always apply the 6 months before washing technique, perhaps thats why they turn out somewhat different. I was thinking of buying a pair of samurais of iron hearts but i don't really know. For now i will just stick with nudie.

Does anyone here have some sweet pictures of their jap.jeans to prove me wrong :P

slim_jeff
17th February 2007, 10:13
http://letgoasyoulike.fc2web.com/sc1947.htm

http://repeattofade.blogspot.com

Two great blogs with lots of pics.

cameland
17th February 2007, 10:24
are you out of your mind?~!?! credits to naoto for a great pair of jeans

denime

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7509/denimtokyoja4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

warehouse

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2210/warehouse1001wbackth8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Samurai (blacks)

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2627/200503151633fn2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Opeth
17th February 2007, 10:55
I'm happy that youy guys proved me wrong. Those are some of the sweatest jeans ever seen. I knew about naotos jeans, and they are truly remarkable. I didn't say all japanese jeans turned out weird but some pictures that I have seen have showed some very dull fading. But once again thanks for providing these pics and proving me wrong. Guess my next pair will be a pair of sammys :twisted:

Naoto the Zombie
17th February 2007, 13:48
>>Opeth

I understand what you mean. Some people are just impatient, some people have kind of "obsessive compulsive disorder" so that they wash their jeans too soon. :( Rome wasn't built in a day.

Both Samurai or Iron Heart produce good jeans. I'm sure you'll get good result unless you wash them too soon or too often.

N.

P.S. camland> How are you doing?

Opeth
17th February 2007, 15:09
You are absolutely right Naoto. I started looking mroe closely on the jeans that had a "dull/irregular" fading and it turned out that they had all been washed within the first or second month, and had an overall fade but no honeycombs,creases whatsoever. Your jeans and the ones Cameland posted are quite the opposite and are really great!

horriblyjollyjinx
17th February 2007, 18:33
The fade depends very much on how you treat your jeans, just as much as the quality of the denim.

These are the same jeans as Naoto's, Denime Tokyo Edition. The difference is that these have been washed frequently.
If you would never guess that these two were the same kind of jeans if you didn't know it beforehand.

http://jeans1000.web.fc2.com/contents/denime-tokyo-0401.jpg
http://jeans1000.web.fc2.com/contents/denime-tokyo-0402.jpg

btw, Naoto did you get a tshirt with your Tokyo Editions?

cameland
17th February 2007, 18:44
P.S. camland> How are you doing?

hey Naoto im doing okay. was in some rough water over the holidays getting kicked out of my house and stuff but now im okay. thanks for asking ;)

Oh and id really like to see some updates on your current projects!

Naoto the Zombie
17th February 2007, 19:21
Hi there.



btw, Naoto did you get a tshirt with your Tokyo Editions?

Yes, I received it just in the nick of time.
BTW, I'm going back to Japan later this year and I'm planning to buy up to two pairs of new jeans over there. I'll avoid Samurai or Sugercane this time because they've become quite popular outside Japan, so it would be a bit boring to wear the same jeans other people do. I'll go for a bit more "minor" Japanese brands' jeans. Which brands do you think I'll go for? (Have a guess!!!!!) :wink:



Oh and id really like to see some updates on your current projects!


I'm glad to hear that you're full of beans. My current projects - RRDS & Warehouse, have not significantly changed yet, so I'll keep wearing them until they've changed a lot. I'll hold washing them a bit longer :D

Opeth
17th February 2007, 19:25
Now here is an example of what if I was talking about. If you compare these Denime jeans that have been washed frquently with naotos you can really see a huge difference. Naotos a so much sweeter. Lesson learned: Now matter how good/thick jeans the only way to go is to wear hard and long before washing. thanks for the comparison pics BTW

bilmaga
17th February 2007, 19:28
@ Naoto,

How long (on average) did you wat until you washed them the first time?

Also, what was your washing method?

Naoto the Zombie
17th February 2007, 20:05
Hi!

I usually wear them for at least 6 months before second washing, but sometimes it would be longer than 6 months - it really depends. When I make sure that front whiskers (or honeycombs) have been set at the same position, otherwise the jeans get really dirty, then I'll wash them - that's the rough guideline.

I wash my jeans in a washing net in 30c water without detergents most of the times. If my jeans are a bit dirty, then I use small amount of detergents which contain no bleeches nor optical brighters (very important! - especially the latter). For UK residents, I'd recommend detergent called Ecover - this contains no harsh chemicals as I mentioned above.

I don't do spin drying - this leaves unwanted wrinkles all over my jeans, especially your jeans are still new and stiff! This sounds pain in the neck and it takes long time to dry, but it's worth doing it. I don't use tumble dryer either.

Some people wash their jeans in very high tempatured water like 90c in order to get contrast instantly, but to me it's torture! High tempature damages any cotton textiles and it shortens longevity of jeans (imagine: you can make your tea or coffee with 90c water!)

As I said earlier "Rome wasn't built in a day" - many beautiful vintage jeans have been worn for the hell of long time to get those nice fades.

Don't be so hasty, my friend.

N.

bilmaga
17th February 2007, 20:08
Thanks Naoto :D

cameland
18th February 2007, 05:26
hrmm naoto maybe your doing fullcounts? or maybe those 21 oz eternals you were talking about before!

Naoto the Zombie
18th February 2007, 12:07
hrmm naoto maybe your doing fullcounts? or maybe those 21 oz eternals you were talking about before!

Full Count sounds good :D but......Nah!!!!!

I was interested in those heavy denims, but then I've realised there are more cons than pros about heavy ounce jeans (i.e. difficult to fade and get whiskers, stitch problems, can't wear during hot summer days etc.) so I won't go for them.

My ideal weight of denim is between 13.5oz and 15oz. :D

horriblyjollyjinx
18th February 2007, 15:35
Hi there.

Yes, I received it just in the nick of time.
BTW, I'm going back to Japan later this year and I'm planning to buy up to two pairs of new jeans over there. I'll avoid Samurai or Sugercane this time because they've become quite popular outside Japan, so it would be a bit boring to wear the same jeans other people do. I'll go for a bit more "minor" Japanese brands' jeans. Which brands do you think I'll go for? (Have a guess!!!!!) :wink:



Hmm, I'll have a guess but since you said you'll buy from smaller brands it will be very difficult because there are so many of them!

I'm thinking that maybe you'll get a pair of Real McCoy? By the way, do you know the deal with Toy's McCoy and Real McCoy? Did Real go bankrupt, and ressurect as Toy's? I've heard that Real McCoy jeans are not being produced anymore. I also hear that their denim is quite famous because it is so dark and fades well.

Maybe you'll buy a pair of Japan Blue(don't mean Pure Blue Japan). Their patch is so cute :)

Maybe a pair of FOB? I know I want the F151.

Stormy Blue/Pherrow's maybe?

Dry Bones? I got a jacket from them recently that is very cool(not denim). I really like their style.
I also like this jacket and the jeans http://dry-bones.com/shop/nagoya/images/Coordination/Coordination.41.jpg
Check out their style shoots http://dry-bones.com/shop/Coordination.htm

Cushman? So hard, please tell.. ;)

cameland
18th February 2007, 15:46
yeah im also not a fan of high ounce denim, for the same reasons as you naoto. Thats why im especially interested in fullcounts. I think out of the lesser known brands Real McCoy is a big standout, seen some of the most incredible fades on some japanese blogs.

anywho, Naoto jsut tell us which your gonna pick already!

Tiro
18th February 2007, 23:53
maybe try a pair of Oni's Naoto :wink:

really liking mine already and haven't even soaked them or tried them on... just unwrapped them :D

bilmaga
19th February 2007, 01:13
I'm happy you finally got your jeans Tiro. :D
Is it possible to post some pics, or pm them to me

Tiro
19th February 2007, 18:13
thanks mate, will get some pics up tomorrow when I got my digi cam back, gf still has it... :D

Epilogue
19th February 2007, 21:35
Ok guys, so which japanese jeans would you recommend me, when I prefer slimmer jeans (not too slim like Thin Finn, Long John or Super Slim Kim) like Slim Jim and Bootcut Ola or the RRs? Are there any selvege japanese jeans with slightly bootcut like the Ola or the Levis 507?

Like I wrote in another topic I like the Sugar Canes Edo Ai because of the details and the color but the cut frightened me away.
The Samurai Jeans don't have these supreme details like the Sugar Canes but seem to have better fits.

I can't find a way out, hehe.

Tiro
19th February 2007, 21:40
sugar cane's Edo Ai you mean?

you should maybe look at pure blue japan or denime... they got slight bootcuts I think and slimmer models...

blueingreensoho.com had them last time I checked, u can check out the models there... for more info, ask billy, he owns quite a few models :wink:

Epilogue
19th February 2007, 21:44
Thank you. :) It doesn't have to be bootcut, I was just curious about that one, hehe. I will have a look what they have.

Tiro
19th February 2007, 21:46
I think pure blue japan has a bootcut, not sure anymore tho...
anyhow, I do know they have the xx-005 and that is like the SJ but a bit tighter if I remember correctly...

cameland
19th February 2007, 21:47
skulls are quite good bang for your buck. you can order them straight through from japan. heres one of the bootcut models which i like.

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/923/sjpt5508md01co9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4091/sjpt5508md03pv4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Epilogue
19th February 2007, 21:52
Yeah, this cut looks very nice.

Eric
19th February 2007, 21:55
pbj has a bootcut model xx-004

fading in denim doesn't really have anything to do with the brand, it's just the particular model, the denim and dying process used. nudies have a general rep for being easy to break, mostly the greycast b/c it's stiff denim and the dye used sheds easily. but on the other hand, the veggie takes forever, b/c natural indigo takes longer to break.

if you're lookin for some japanese cuts that fade quickly, go for the samurai so500xx. all accounts that i've read (and there are a ton of them on sf b/c of the contest) say that these shed indigo like crazy. i've worn mine for a week and it's already showing a lot of fading. more than my SSDS had in a month.

Epilogue
19th February 2007, 22:02
I know all these things about indigo and denim, thx, I am not a beginner, I was just asking for japanese models, as they are hard to get, hehe. I don't mind if they fade fast or slowly (I've breaked in Bootcut Olas and any other jeans was so difficult like these. In the end I gave it to a female friend of mine, hehe). I still don't know which so I guess it will take some time until I decide. At the moment I am breaking in my RRDS since one year anyway. Thx again to you all.

Tiro
19th February 2007, 22:10
well, that advice I can give you, take your time, I also spend alot of time before I made up my mind and I'm glad I did, cause I was thinking of getting jap jeans but didn't see a LF fit straight away, after some time I found the Oni Red, so I'm happy I didn't jump the gun and bought one of the more known brands just because that was 'easier'...

Epilogue
19th February 2007, 22:18
Yes, I will, thank you. :) Too bad any of these doesn't have details like Sugar Canes (I mean the colourful pocket inlays etc.)

bilmaga
19th February 2007, 23:20
I've heard that Flat Head fade quite fast and really nice. Not too sure about the fits though?

Eric
20th February 2007, 03:30
I know all these things about indigo and denim, thx, I am not a beginner, I was just asking for japanese models, as they are hard to get, hehe. I don't mind if they fade fast or slowly (I've breaked in Bootcut Olas and any other jeans was so difficult like these. In the end I gave it to a female friend of mine, hehe). I still don't know which so I guess it will take some time until I decide. At the moment I am breaking in my RRDS since one year anyway. Thx again to you all.

my post wasn't at you, it was at the original poster

Epilogue
20th February 2007, 12:00
Ah ok, then sorryyy. :)

Epilogue
20th February 2007, 12:25
Somehow I don't like how the Pure Blue Japan jeans fade:

http://image.rakuten.co.jp/bears/cabinet/jeans-syouaiya/10002-f2.jpg
http://image.rakuten.co.jp/bears/cabinet/jeans-syouaiya/10002.jpg

It looks like a bad prewash, I don't know. Strange denim or indigo.

Opeth
20th February 2007, 12:47
Epilogue: Where these pictures from the blueingreensoho website. Looked at same picutres on their site and many of their pictures of worn i jeans were washed very frequenlty, even before they had even been worn a single day!!
I agree on the strange fading part, they look kinda prewash!!

Epilogue
20th February 2007, 12:55
No, it's from the Rakuten site:

http://image.rakuten.co.jp/bears/cabinet/jeans-syouaiya/10002-f2.jpg

Epilogue
20th February 2007, 13:00
http://image.rakuten.co.jp/d-stock/cabinet/00019176/img10832606.jpg
http://image.rakuten.co.jp/d-stock/cabinet/00019176/img10832607.jpg

A very nice worn in Samurai. :) Looks like some of the Ralfs.

Opeth
20th February 2007, 13:01
Epilogue: Ok

I know I have asked this before but I will do it again. Could all you experts give me some info on where to buy (online) raw jeans that fade in a greenish kind of a way. Preferably like Deus:es evisu jeans (in the fotogallery), they look amazing. Help please, would be nice to go for a for a different color next time. Thanks

Btw: How do I upload pics into my posts like you guys, is it hard??

horriblyjollyjinx
20th February 2007, 13:07
No, it's from the Rakuten site:

http://image.rakuten.co.jp/bears/cabinet/jeans-syouaiya/10002-f2.jpg

That IS a factory distressed pair.

Epilogue
20th February 2007, 13:09
Oh yeah? Good to know, I found it on Superfuture, a guy wrote that these are naturally faded jeans, what was suspicious as they don't look natural. My feeling was right. Ok, then we know it better now, hehe.

sjdb
20th February 2007, 13:33
Hi Naoto,havnt been here for long time. good to see your beautiful fading jeans. i m still working on evisu no.1 now. it seems taking longer to get fade. i decide to wear one more year.
as you may already know, 6-months method doesnt really apply to Jap jeans, as they have been dyed more times than nudies have. as long as you wear intensively, the beautiful fading will come out eventually.
I agree with you, heavy weight denim doesn mean good, unless you have superb stitch, and quality contton. otherwise its kinda suffering to wear them espeically in summer.
(currently, i am searching some old pair of joe mccoy. thats my next project. :wink: )

Epilogue
20th February 2007, 13:55
Can anyone tell me anything about the black Samurai Zero S5000BK? They look good, but I just can't japanese (though I had it one year in school some years ago) to tell what kind of cut it is etc.
Thanks.

Naoto the Zombie
20th February 2007, 13:57
i m still working on evisu no.1 now. it seems taking longer to get fade. i decide to wear one more year.
as you may already know, 6-months method doesnt really apply to Jap jeans,


I think it depends on which brand's jeans you're wearing, really. I've heard that Evisu add not only indigo but some black and green dyes as well - this might make you think that it takes slower than usual (however, this is just a rumour! I don't know ture or not)
In result, you may get a little bit green-tint blue to your Evisu - especially No.1 denim. My No.2 have been washed quite a lot of times so now they've become light blue-ish :cry: I shouldn't have washed that often!

Generally speaking, Evisu, Denime, and FOB are told that they are quite difficult to fade and take time whereas Warehouse, Flat Head are easy to fade. But in the end it all depends how you wear and how often you wash or how heavy your jeans.....



I agree with you, heavy weight denim doesn mean good, unless you have superb stitch, and quality contton.


As I said before, my ideal denim weight is between 13.5 to 15oz. Even my Warehouse which I am currently wearing, are 13.25oz, but I feel them so stiff.



currently, i am searching some old pair of joe mccoy. thats my next project.

Good luck! But how will you find a pair? Even many Japanese are still looking for them.....

Cheers!

cameland
20th February 2007, 15:00
Can anyone tell me anything about the black Samurai Zero S5000BK? They look good, but I just can't japanese (though I had it one year in school some years ago) to tell what kind of cut it is etc.
Thanks.

its quite a low rise, not as slim as jim but slightly looser. straight leg throughout.

sjdb
20th February 2007, 15:02
as far as i m heard about evisu, the greenish fading you are talking about is only happened in old evisu and evis pants. (evis jeans have been dyed for 50 times!) I don't think even current no.1 have such fading. And you are right, wether or not you wash jeans depends on how u wear and what type of jeans you are wearing. but still, i think for most of jap denim, 6months rules dun really apply.

One of my friends knows a owner of denim store in japan. he personally has many collection of joe mccoy. he may sell 901 and 905 to me. by any luck, i can also get a pair of s906xh. if i own them, i upload pics here. :)

cameland
20th February 2007, 15:17
to get premium japanese jeans in australia must be nice ;)

sjdb
20th February 2007, 15:31
to get premium japanese jeans in australia must be nice ;)

i live in melb too, mate :D

Eric
20th February 2007, 17:23
No, it's from the Rakuten site:

http://image.rakuten.co.jp/bears/cabinet/jeans-syouaiya/10002-f2.jpg

That IS a factory distressed pair.

yeah, in addition to making some amazing dry jeans, PBJ also has another line of jeans that has a lot of bad prewashs that remind me of fake evisu and a lot of ridiculous jeans that look like a characturer of the wild D&G styles... here's a sample of PBJ's prewash line :) http://cgi.ebay.com/Pure-Blue-Japan-LIMITED-Jeans-W-32-L-32-Mens-Exclusive_W0QQitemZ150079609009QQihZ005QQcategoryZ 11483QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Eric
20th February 2007, 18:30
Can anyone tell me anything about the black Samurai Zero S5000BK? They look good, but I just can't japanese (though I had it one year in school some years ago) to tell what kind of cut it is etc.
Thanks.

you don't need to know japanese to figure out the fit... just go to a raukten site, they all have a chart at the bottom of their page for each jean that gives all the measurements for all the sizes. from that, you can get a feel for the rise, how slim they are, and the leg opening, etc... but what i do is take measurements off of something i have and compare it

Epilogue
20th February 2007, 22:48
Wheee, that will never be an alternative for seeing them on a human form of life.

tion4->
20th February 2007, 22:57
No, it's from the Rakuten site:

http://image.rakuten.co.jp/bears/cabinet/jeans-syouaiya/10002-f2.jpg

That IS a factory distressed pair.

yeah, in addition to making some amazing dry jeans, PBJ also has another line of jeans that has a lot of bad prewashs that remind me of fake evisu and a lot of ridiculous jeans that look like a characturer of the wild D&G styles... here's a sample of PBJ's prewash line :) http://cgi.ebay.com/Pure-Blue-Japan-LIMITED-Jeans-W-32-L-32-Mens-Exclusive_W0QQitemZ150079609009QQihZ005QQcategoryZ 11483QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

oh my, those are bad. They must be extremely old...even the fit looks terrible

Naoto the Zombie
20th February 2007, 23:18
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pure-Blue-Japan-LIMITED-Jeans-W-32-L-32-Mens-Exclusive_W0QQitemZ150079609009QQihZ005QQcategoryZ 11483QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

These are fake PBJ jeans - the tub is somehow in red (normally in blue)
and the rivets on the backpockets are visible from outside.
Moreover, why in China????? :shock: :shock: :shock:

Eric
20th February 2007, 23:56
that's what i thought originally too.. but the concensus on superfuture where i got that ebay link from seemed to be that it was legit. ugly as hell but legit.

plus, PBJ is a short run company... they're not big enough for people to rip them off, even in japan.